2 Thessalonians 2

"2:14. Therefore, brethren, stand fast: and hold the traditions, which you have learned, whether by word or by our epistle. "

Ad quod et vocavit vos per evangelium nostrum in adquisitionem gloriae Domini nostri Iesu Christi
Traditions... See here that the unwritten traditions are no less to be received than their epistles. " from site

http://www.newadvent.org/bible/2th002.htm

The bible is full of references to tradition. That which is the word of God, also, yet not in the bible.

 

Traditions of man- is not sola Scriptura such?

Matthew Chapter 15

'15:3. But he answering, said to them: Why do you also transgress the commandment of God for your tradition? For God said:
'"15:9. And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men."

"15:3. But he answering, said to them: Why do you also transgress the commandment of God for your tradition? For God said:
Ipse autem respondens ait illis quare et vos transgredimini mandatum Dei propter traditionem vestram

15:4. Honour thy father and mother: And: He that shall curse father or mother, let him die the death.
Nam Deus dixit honora patrem et matrem et qui maledixerit patri vel matri morte moriatur

 http://www.newadvent.org/bible/mat015.htm

Sola scriptura- you mean "Only Old testsament"?

In deed, the idea of sola scriptura is not the original interpretation of the bible, and is found nowhere in the bible, nor in any of the Fathers' doctrine. In fact, when the new testament was being written, scripture consisted mostly of the old testament, with some quotes outside of it (such as Paul's reference to the rock that followed the Israelites in the desert - which was Christ, and the reference to an angel and the devil arguing about Moses' body).

Language Evolution

The bible tells us to hold fast to the faith we originally "heard and believed", not "read and believed". Furthermore, language evolves and developes. Fifty years ago, the word "gay" meant "merry" and "cheerful", in the modern sense, it means "one who has sexual relations with those of their own gender". If one studies modern greek, it is different from ancient greek, and will obviously have words with specific meanings to our time.

Church vital to Maintenance of Truth

For this, for our translations, we therefore trust not God, but man. It depends which men you trust, but it is men none the less.

Should we trust Luther, with the protestant bible, who wanted to remove what is now designated the last four books of the new testament (because they taught things he did not like, and at times contradict "sola fide"- with statements like "faith without deeds is dead"), but could not overcome tradition, and so designated them to the back of the bible, and did likewise with the Old Testament books  he called Apocraphor, and left warnings about such books, which are now removed from most protestant bibles, or should we trust someone else. After all, whether the sole source of truth as protestants often wrongly claim it to be, or absolute truth, interpreted in such a way that the authors do not contradict, yet not the only way God communicates, it is a vital source of truth, and all that contradict it's inspired meaning, must be wrong.

Who do we trust to Interpret Scripture?

Should we therefore trust the Roman Catholic church? The church who compiled the original Canon of what is the Word of God and scripture (the bible). This was done in around the early three hundred and sixties, and resulted in the Volgate, a Latin translation of the bible, containing all seventy three books.

According to the bible, we should. After all, it is the only church that claims to be descended directly from the Apostle Peter, and the only other contender (Orthodoxy), has many of the exact same traditions as the Catholic church, and acknowleges the Pope.

Here are some scriptural bases to the authority and truth defining ability of the church.

These quotes are all from the New American Bible, unless stated otherwise. The quotes are taken directly from the Vatican site (www.vatican.va) on today, the 18 of may 2007.

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24 th verse of Ephesians

  • Chapter 5

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As the church is subordinate to Christ, so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything.

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Matthew

  • Chapter 16

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18

And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

19

I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. 14 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

20

15 Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah.

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Luke

  • Chapter 1

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so that you may realize the certainty of the teachings you have received.

 

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Matthew

  • Chapter 18

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If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. 14 If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.

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For more verses on the need of a church go to Catholic Bible Search and see other searches as well.

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